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mutyalanaidu at rediff... Guest
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Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2003 2:18 pmPost subject: doubt |
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Respected sirs, I have few doubts, plz clarify them 1) why do we prefer hyperbolic shape to the cooling towers? why not other 2) while designing a r.c.c beam if we get the reinforcement calculated is less than the minimum we will provide minimum reinforcement, my question will it not become over reinforced as we are providing more reinforcement than the required? 3)What is the cretria to be followed to determine the height of the truss in industrial buildings? some the books giving span/5 or some thing if so what is the technical explanation behind it?
regardsmutyalanaidu
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a_deep SEFI Member

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Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2003 5:36 amPost subject: doubt |
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Dear All,
I have to start the structural design for a 2 B + G + 7 storied (total height 40 m approx) symmetric building in seismic zone 4 having size in the range of 65m x 25m. Should I disign with expansion joint/ Separation joint only or I can start without any joint (with doing the temperature analysis) as it is a hospital building and the joints are generally the dirty places of the building.
Also if any literature I can get for temperature analysis, I would be grateful. I would also like to know the defletion behaviour of multistoried buildings 10 to 15 storied with change in building plan size. Whether there is any desirable building height/ width ratio which gives economy in design and better performance of building during cyclones or earthquakes.
Please advice.
Aman Deep
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ranna ...

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Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2003 10:15 amPost subject: doubt |
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yOU CAN GO AHEAD WITHOUT ANY EXPANSION JOINT SINCE THE LENGTH IS ONLY ABOUT 65M AND YOU CAN ANALYSE IT USING STAAD ADDING TEMP LOAD CASE ALSO.sINCE YOU ARE GOING TO BUIL THE BLDG WITH RCC MASS&STIFFNESS OF THE BLDG WILL BE HEAVIER COMPARED TO STEEL STRUCTURE AND HENCE THER MAY NOT BE A PROBLEM OF VERTICAL DEFLECTION ranna@bheltry.co.in
a_deep@hsccltd.co.in wrote:
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Dear All,
I have to start the structural design for a 2 B + G + 7 storied (total height 40 m approx) symmetric building in seismic zone 4 having size in the range of 65m x 25m. Should I disign with expansion joint/ Separation joint only or I can start without any joint (with doing the temperature analysis) as it is a hospital building and the joints are generally the dirty places of the building.
Also if any literature I can get for temperature analysis, I would be grateful. I would also like to know the defletion behaviour of multistoried buildings 10 to 15 storied with change in building plan size. Whether there is any desirable building height/ width ratio which gives economy in design and better performance of building during cyclones or earthquakes.
Please advice.
Aman Deep
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narzi SEFI Regulars

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Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2003 12:16 pmPost subject: doubt |
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Dear Aman - Study the architectural geometry - If any abrupt changes then and then go for expansion joint - but before that studying the plan geometry is must.
Kamal Parekh Surat ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 11:06 AM Subject: doubt
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Dear All,
I have to start the structural design for a 2 B + G + 7 storied (total height 40 m approx) symmetric building in seismic zone 4 having size in
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the
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range of 65m x 25m. Should I disign with expansion joint/ Separation joint only or I can start without any joint (with doing the temperature
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analysis)
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as it is a hospital building and the joints are generally the dirty places of the building.
Also if any literature I can get for temperature analysis, I would be grateful. I would also like to know the defletion behaviour of multistoried
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buildings
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10 to 15 storied with change in building plan size. Whether there is any desirable building height/ width ratio which gives economy in design and better performance of building during cyclones or earthquakes.
Please advice.
Aman Deep
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jayantseth SEFI Member

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Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2003 3:01 amPost subject: doubt |
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亲爱的Mutyala Naidu。
A cooling tower has to be enclosed device for evaporative cooling of water by contact with air. For the tower, the circular shape in plan is most desirable and the stream currents developing naturally is another factor that governs the efficient geometry of any tower.
双曲线形状提供了巨大的内心的时刻tia and rigidity so there is considerable resistance to high winds, hurricanes and earthquake.
The shape being doubly curved is not developable will offer more economical design as shell will be thinner and will require less reinforcement. Shearing stresses are practically nil.
Compared to next best shape could be conical. However, normal stress along meridian will be about 25% less in Hyperbolic tower compared to conical.
For all other towers the stress concentration at throat is higher. While extension of hyperbola from throat stiffens the shell.
Several hyperbolic cooling towers can be constructed close together yet the high speed wind which occur at some altitude are almsot unrestricted.
Seperation behind the upstream side of the tower is minimised since the tower width decreases as the wind velocity increases.
The cross section of the base is comparatively large, a smaller gap height is necessary for the same entrance area and offers less resistance.
The direction of the entering flow is changed progressively and smoothly from hotizontal and the hyperbolic shape augments stronger current upward.
With state of art in design and construction practices it has become vaible to provide clients with cost effective hyperbolic cooling towers.
A minimum steel is provided in beam design is good engineering practice and to take care of many factors in form of shrinkage, creep, and other unaccounted load that comes due to assumptions made while concrete it self is hetrogenous. When a need has arised that steel required is less than minimum this member is needed to share very less load and hence last develop plastic - hinge.
一个关于桁架高度consider space available, economy and other parameter. However, stastically if you work out you are more or less close to span/5 in most of the case.
With regards JAYANT
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