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hi,
actually, for an design engineer there shouldn't be any problem to design a structure dreamed by the architect as long as the computing tools, suitable material and fundings are available with us.
The major problem with floating columns is that they make storeys other than ground storey more stiff. Hence, there could be a danger of P-delta effect. However, if we design the columns in the ground storey for twice or thrice of calculated lateral force(As suggested in IS 1893 regarging the columns in the ground storey without infill walls), then the structure would perform well in earthquake.
Also, we can design a structral fuse so as to dissipate energy during earthquake and reduce the demand on the structure.
Cheers,
Ajeet
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Subject: Professional Engineer Certification by the IEI
Date: 04/12/05
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Professional Engineer Certification by the IEI
Dear Engineers
I have read many arguments by senior engineers on www.buonovino.com about the IEI recognition in the eyes of the GOI
The major argument about the status of the IEI that the Royal Charter is English & not Indian- What does it mean? Does any one know about the legal competency of the statement? It proves that we Indian engineers are far away from the understanding of the law & we definitely do not wish to learn that from the GOI perspective. Government of India is not above the law of the land. GOI is supposed to abide by the law of the land.
This charter was granted to the IEI for the Indian jurisdiction exclusively & a part of the constitution if measured for the empowerment degree. It granted the power of the king to this body for the duties & responsibilities expressed within the charter. This charter is not an ordinary law but a special law mean for the business of engineering. Business of engineering means promotion & application of engineering in India. This charter was warranted by the King George Vth & since then it has been a powerful instrument in India for the engineering purpose. Though, engineers did not care much about it for most of them did not require its powers since engineers aimed to join the government services in those days & practically it confined to the closed door institution for the purpose of engineering profession advancement & its power of Chartered Engineers India laid in the corner. Those who do not understand the meaning of the Chartered Engineer & t!
he Charter, my advice to them is to
指印度宪法的y order passed by the then king brings this charter into the category of the law of the land. It is not the government of India that decides about the authenticity of the law. Law is law irrespective of you accept or you do not accept. I never got any problem within my Middle East career whenever tried to get approval on my CVs from the authorities anywhere whenever produced my Chartered Engineer�s certificate. You are boosting about the Engineering Council of India who themselves expressed recognition as a part of their Engineer�s bill draft that IEI has the competency to grant certification of engineers competency. As far as profession of engineers is concerned, in India it is the business of engineering which includes the profession & therefore, it is higher than the profession of engineering. Mind it professions are not allowed business but business allows the profession. It is also true that all Indian municipalitie!
s &
authorities claim to register the engineers though having no jurisdiction over them, yet specify the qualification as AMIE or CE. Some IITian expressed his concern why to apply for AMIE when one is IIT. So what is the problem, IIT grants only engineering degree, which is far lower than the level of an AMIE or a Chartered Engineer. We are living in a dark world of understand & this is the only reason that all other try to undermine Indian Engineers. Until, we the engineers awake & claim to respect ourselves, no one can help us. I have gone through the charter & I can assure that it is a law of the land & those who conflict, please first understand the constitution of India before finalizing any construction of this charter. According to the constitution of India any law existing before the Indian independence shall continue to be in force in its existing form or amended form until it is amended or annulled. A period of 5 years & then an additional period !
of 2 years was empowered to
the president of India to amend or nullify any law in force at the time of independence & also while the constitution is approved. This charter was not effected by such powers within that period. Now in case IEI proposes to the parliament that it is in no position to respond to implement the poers entrusted within the charter, these powers can be withdrawn by the parliament or only by amendment by bringing a bill for annulment or amendment, it can be affected. I am not a lawyer, but law is not that difficult that senior engineers cannot understand. After all we all deal with the implication of contracts. We should try to get into the legalities of the problems & please do not just make things difficult.
Regards
Eng Suraj Singh PE
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Message From drachintya[AT]red...
Subject: FLOATING COLUMNS
Date: 04/12/05
Time: 10:45:51
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Dear SEFI Members,
I agree with the views of Mr. Subramanian. In fact, Hidden Beam is just part of slab only-- Naming is Beam is simply a misnomer.
Dr. Achintya.
On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 drnsmani[AT]yah... wrote :
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Dear Kumar,
永远不应该被允许在任何浮动的列building. The terms Floating column, hidden beam, etc were invented by architects, who do not know about structural behaviour. They are really dangerous and will lead to failure especially under lateral loading conditions. Hidden beams will only stiffen the slab and will not function as beam, because the most important parameter in a beam is its depth.
Best wishes,
Subramanian
Message From maheshkkumar2002[AT]yah...
Subject: FLOATING COLUMNS
Date: 02/12/05
Time: 22:18:32
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Respected sir,
Iam a student pursuing my M.E structures at HYD.
sir,plz give information regarding floating columns,
is there any codal provisions,its limitations,critical
points which supports that columns.
thank you
Dr.N.Subramanian,Ph.D.,F.ASCE, M.ACI,FIE,P.E.,
Chief Executive, Computer Design Consultants,
email:drnsmani[AT]yah...
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Message From jreddy_t[AT]yah...
Subject: FLOATING COLUMNS
Date: 04/12/05
Time: 20:36:26
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Hi,
Try to avoid floating columns, only in hyderabad
floating columns are giving.
J.Reddy.
--- maheshkkumar2002[AT]yah... wrote:
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Respected sir,
Iam a student pursuing my M.E structures at HYD.
sir,plz give information regarding floating
columns,
is there any codal provisions,its
limitations,critical
points which supports that columns.
thank you
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Dear Ajeet:
Could you please tell us more about the "Structural Fuse" you have written
about. What this fuse is? How it can be designed? How much reliable it is?
Any other reference material will be of help to our community.
Best regards
Hemant Kumar
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Subject: Floating Columns..........
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hi,
actually, for an design engineer there shouldn't be any problem to
design a structure dreamed by the architect as long as the computing
tools, suitable material and fundings are available with us.
The major problem with floating columns is that they make storeys other
than ground storey more stiff. Hence, there could be a danger of P-delta
effect. However, if we design the columns in the ground storey for twice
or thrice of calculated lateral force(As suggested in IS 1893 regarging
the columns in the ground storey without infill walls), then the structure
would perform well in earthquake.
Also, we can design a structral fuse so as to dissipate energy during
earthquake and reduce the demand on the structure.
Cheers,
Ajeet
On Sun, 04 Dec 2005 wrote :
| Quote: |
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Message From rccbuildings2[AT]yah...
Subject: Professional Engineer Certification by the IEI
Date: 04/12/05
Time: 09:15:07
-------------------------
Professional Engineer Certification by the IEI
Dear Engineers
I have read many arguments by senior engineers on www.buonovino.com about
the IEI recognition in the eyes of the GOI
The major argument about the status of the IEI that the Royal Charter
is English & not Indian- What does it mean? Does any one know about the
legal competency of the statement? It proves that we Indian engineers are
far away from the understanding of the law & we definitely do not wish to
learn that from the GOI perspective. Government of India is not above the
law of the land. GOI is supposed to abide by the law of the land.
This charter was granted to the IEI for the Indian jurisdiction
exclusively & a part of the constitution if measured for the empowerment
degree. It granted the power of the king to this body for the duties &
responsibilities expressed within the charter. This charter is not an
ordinary law but a special law mean for the business of engineering.
Business of engineering means promotion & application of engineering in
India. This charter was warranted by the King George Vth & since then it
has been a powerful instrument in India for the engineering purpose.
Though, engineers did not care much about it for most of them did not
require its powers since engineers aimed to join the government services
in those days & practically it confined to the closed door institution
for the purpose of engineering profession advancement & its power of
Chartered Engineers India laid in the corner. Those who do not understand
the meaning of the Chartered Engineer & t!
he Charter, my advice to them is to
指印度宪法的y order passed by the
then king brings this charter into the category of the law of the land.
It is not the government of India that decides about the authenticity of
the law. Law is law irrespective of you accept or you do not accept. I
never got any problem within my Middle East career whenever tried to get
approval on my CVs from the authorities anywhere whenever produced my
Chartered Engineer's certificate. You are boosting about the Engineering
Council of India who themselves expressed recognition as a part of their
Engineer's bill draft that IEI has the competency to grant certification
of engineers competency. As far as profession of engineers is concerned,
in India it is the business of engineering which includes the profession
& therefore, it is higher than the profession of engineering. Mind it
professions are not allowed business but business allows the profession.
It is also true that all Indian municipalitie!
s &
authorities claim to register the engineers though having no
jurisdiction over them, yet specify the qualification as AMIE or CE. Some
IITian expressed his concern why to apply for AMIE when one is IIT. So
what is the problem, IIT grants only engineering degree, which is far
lower than the level of an AMIE or a Chartered Engineer. We are living in
a dark world of understand & this is the only reason that all other try
to undermine Indian Engineers. Until, we the engineers awake & claim to
respect ourselves, no one can help us. I have gone through the charter &
I can assure that it is a law of the land & those who conflict, please
first understand the constitution of India before finalizing any
construction of this charter. According to the constitution of India any
law existing before the Indian independence shall continue to be in force
in its existing form or amended form until it is amended or annulled. A
period of 5 years & then an additional period !
of 2 years was empowered to
the president of India to amend or nullify any law in force at the time
of independence & also while the constitution is approved. This charter
was not effected by such powers within that period. Now in case IEI
proposes to the parliament that it is in no position to respond to
implement the poers entrusted within the charter, these powers can be
withdrawn by the parliament or only by amendment by bringing a bill for
annulment or amendment, it can be affected. I am not a lawyer, but law is
not that difficult that senior engineers cannot understand. After all we
all deal with the implication of contracts. We should try to get into the
legalities of the problems & please do not just make things difficult.
Regards
Eng Suraj Singh PE
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Message From drachintya[AT]red...
Subject: FLOATING COLUMNS
Date: 04/12/05
Time: 10:45:51
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Dear SEFI Members,
I agree with the views of Mr. Subramanian. In fact, Hidden Beam is just
part of slab only-- Naming is Beam is simply a misnomer.
Dr. Achintya.
On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 drnsmani[AT]yah... wrote :
| Quote: |
Dear Kumar,
永远不应该被允许在任何浮动的列building. The terms
Floating column, hidden beam, etc were invented by architects, who do
not know about structural behaviour. They are really dangerous and will
lead to failure especially under lateral loading conditions. Hidden
beams will only stiffen the slab and will not function as beam, because
the most important parameter in a beam is its depth.
Best wishes,
Subramanian
Message From maheshkkumar2002[AT]yah...
Subject: FLOATING COLUMNS
Date: 02/12/05
Time: 22:18:32
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Respected sir,
Iam a student pursuing my M.E structures at HYD.
sir,plz give information regarding floating columns,
is there any codal provisions,its limitations,critical
points which supports that columns.
thank you
Dr.N.Subramanian,Ph.D.,F.ASCE, M.ACI,FIE,P.E.,
Chief Executive, Computer Design Consultants,
email:drnsmani[AT]yah...
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Message From jreddy_t[AT]yah...
Subject: FLOATING COLUMNS
Date: 04/12/05
Time: 20:36:26
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Hi,
Try to avoid floating columns, only in hyderabad
floating columns are giving.
J.Reddy.
--- maheshkkumar2002[AT]yah... wrote:
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Respected sir,
Iam a student pursuing my M.E structures at HYD.
sir,plz give information regarding floating
columns,
is there any codal provisions,its
limitations,critical
points which supports that columns.
thank you
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WELL THIS FUSE CONCEPT APPEARS TO BE V INTERESTING...COULD U PL ELABORATE A
BIT ON THIS??AND ALSO HOW THA TORSION CREATED AT THE BOTTOM OF SUCH COLUMNS
CAN BE TAKEN OF BY DESIGNING THE LOWER STOREY COLUMNS FOR 2 OR 3 TIMES EQ
FORCES?? I only hope u r not mixing up two v different issues...IS 1893
recommends for stilted buildings the design of stilt cols shd be carried out
for higher moments....but how does it take care of torsional moments created
in the supporting beams??
regards
sangeeta wij
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