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Dear Suraj Singh Ji,
I appreciate your dedication for profession and Institution that gives us recognition as an engineer in India. You seems to be �not femilar� with present Indian working system. It has dual system in each field. One is for the applicant and other is for respondent. If the thing is in favor of applicant the thing favoring respondent is put forwarded and applicant is asked it is not possible. If the applicant asks for way out than the answer is �deal� after that thing is put in rack other thing is put forward. Every judgment has contradictory judgments, experts exploit this. First of all propaganda is made then consensus then implementation it all for self motives. This �engineers bill� �engineering is not a recognized profession�. All such comes out of from a well planned system. As a normal case a final year BE student in average engineering college in India could not draw BM, SF diagram. This is the statement of HOD of a prominent engineering college in India. So future of civil
engineering as profession is not very bright in India. Most of engineers do not know what is �IS 13920� what is that was the answer of our in charge design. And about AMIE it has lost it grace due to high level malpractice since it is necessary to have an engineering degree for the post of Superintending Engineer, at that AMIE is arranged. I know many peoples who has managed MR PAWAR was in charge Jalandhar he used to do this job after complaint this center was canceled. still the pesons benefitted are at good position today.
Daljeet

rccbuildings2[AT]yah... wrote:
Constitution of India references-Existing Laws to enlighten IEI Charter 1935 constituted during pre independence senario to let the ignorant Indian Engineers to be well informed.
Main purpose is to inform about the authenticity of the Charter as an order & then a law unto itself & also the powers of the president to modify, adopt or repeal any such law
PART III
FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS
General
12. Definition.�In this Part, unless the context otherwise requires, �the State�� includes the Government and Parliament of India and the Government and the Legislature of each of the States and all local or other authorities within the territory of India or under the control of the Government of India.
13. Laws inconsistent with or in derogation of the fundamental rights.�(1) All laws in force in the territory of India immediately before the commencement of this Constitution, in so far as they are inconsistent with the provisions of this Part, shall, to the extent of such inconsistency, be void.
(2) The State shall not make any law which takes away or abridges the rights conferred by this Part and any law made in contravention of this clause shall, to the extent of the contravention, be void.
(3) In this article, unless the context otherwise requires,�
(a) �law� includes any Ordinance, order, bye-law, rule, regulation, notification, custom or usage having in the territory of India the force of law;
(b) �laws in force� includes laws passed or made by a Legislature or other competent authority in the territory of India before the commencement of this Constitution and not previously repealed, notwithstanding that any such law or any part thereof may not be then in operation either at all or in particular areas.
(4) Nothing in this article shall apply to any amendment of this Constitution made under article 368.
366. Definitions.�In this Constitution, unless the context otherwise requires, the following expressions have the meanings hereby respectively assigned to them, that is to say�
(3) �article� means an article of this Constitution;
(5) �clause� means a clause of the article in which the expression occurs;
(10) �existing law� means any law, Ordinance, order, bye-law, rule or regulation passed or made before the commencement of this Constitution by any Legislature, authority or person having power to make such a law, Ordinance, order, bye-law, rule or regulation;
(15) �Indian State� means any territory which the Government of the Dominion of India recognised as such a State;
(16)�Part� means a Part of this Constitution;
(19) �public notification� means a notification in the Gazette of India, or, as the case may be, the Official Gazette of a State;
367.Interpretation.�(1) Unless the context otherwise requires, the General Clauses Act, 1897, shall, subject to any adaptations and modifications that may be made therein under article 372, apply for the interpretation of this Constitution as it applies for the interpretation of an Act of the Legislature of the Dominion of India.
(2) Any reference in this Constitution to Acts or laws of, or made by, Parliament, or to Acts or laws of, or made by, the Legislature of a State, shall be construed as including a reference to an Ordinance made by the President or, to an Ordinance made by a Governor, as the case may be.
(3) For the purposes of this Constitution �foreign State� means any State other than India:
Provided that, subject to the provisions of any law made by Parliament, the President may by order declare any State not to be a foreign State for such purposes as may be specified in the order.
372. Continuance in force of existing laws and their adaptation.�(1) Notwithstanding the repeal by this Constitution of the enactments referred to in article 395 but subject to the other provisions of this Constitution, all the law in force in the territory of India immediately before the commencement of this Constitution shall continue in force therein until altered or repealed or amended by a competent Legislature or other competent authority.
(2) For the purpose of brining the provisions of any law in force in the territory of India into accord with the provisions of this Constitution, the President may by order make such adaptations and modifications of such law, whether by way of repeal or amendment, as may be necessary or expedient, and provide that the law shall, as from such date as may be specified in the order, have effect subject to the adaptations and modifications so made, and any such adaptation or modification shall not be questioned in any court of law.
(3) Nothing in clause (2) shall be deemed�
(a) to empower the President to make any adaptation or modification of any law after the expiration of three years from the commencement of this Constitution; or
(b),以防止任何称职的立法机关或其他competent authority from repealing or amending any law adapted or modified by the President under the said clause.
Explanation I.�The expression �law in force� in this article shall include a law passed or made by a Legislature or other competent authority in the territory of India before the commencement of this Constitution and not previously repealed, notwithstanding that it or parts of it may not be then in operation either at all or in particular areas.
Explanation II.�Any law passed or made by a Legislature or other competent authority in the territory of India which immediately before the commencement of this Constitution had extra-territorial effect as well as effect in the territory of India shall, subject to any such adaptations and modifications as aforesaid, contiue to have such extra-territorial effect.
Explanation III.�Nothing in this article shall be construed as continuing any temporary law in force beyond the date fixed for its expiration or the date on which it would have expired if this Constitution had not come into force.
Explanation IV.�An Ordinance promulgated by the Governor of a Province under section 88 of the Government of India Act, 1935, and in force immediately before the commencement of this Constitution shall, unless withdrawn by the Governor of the corresponding State earlier, cease to operate at the expiration of six weeks from the first meeting after such commencement of the Legislative Assembly of that State functioning under clause (1) of article 382, and nothing in this article shall be construed as continuing any such Ordinance in force beyond the said period.
372A. Power of the President to adapt laws.�(1) For the purposes of bringing the provisions of any law in force in India or in any part thereof, immediately before the commencement of the Constitution (Seventh Amendment) Act, 1956, into accord with the provisions of this Constitution as amended by that Act, the President may by order made before the first day of November, 1957, make such adaptations and modifications of the law, whether by way of repeal or amendment, as may be necessary or expedient, and provide that the law shall, as from such date as may be specified in the order, have effect subject to the adaptations and modifications so made, and any such adaptation or modification shall not be questioned in any court of law.
(2) Nothing in clause (1) shall be deemed to prevent a competent Legislature or other competent authority from repealing or amending any law adapted or modified by the President under the said clause.
PART XXII
SHORT TITLE, COMMENCEMENT, AUTHORITATIVE TEXT IN HINDI AND REPEALS
393. Short title.�This Constitution may be called the Constitution of India.
394.毕业典礼。本文�和文章5、67, 8, 9, 60, 324, 366, 367, 379, 380, 388, 391, 392 and 393 shall come into force at once, and the remaining provisions of this Constitution shall come into force on the twenty-sixth day of January, 1950, which day is referred to in this Constitution as the commencement of this Constitution.
394A. Authoritative text in the Hindi language.�(1) The President shall cause to be published under his authority,�
(a) the translation of this Constitution in the Hindi language, signed by the members of the Constituent Assembly, with such modifications as may be necessary to bring it in conformity with the language, style and terminology adopted in the authoritative texts of Central Acts in the Hindi language, and incorporating therein all the amendments of this Constitution made before such publication; and
(b) the translation in the Hindi language of every amendment of this Constitution made in the English language.
(2) The translation of this Constitution and of every amendment thereof published under clause (1) shall be construed to have the same meaning as the original thereof and if any difficulty arises in so construing any part of such translation, the President shall cause the same to be revised suitably.
(3) The translation of this Constitution and of every amendment thereof published under this article shall be deemed to be, for all purposes, the authoritative text thereof in the Hindi language.
395. Repeals.�The Indian Independence Act, 1947, and the Government of India Act, 1935, together with all enactments amending or supplementing the latter Act, but not including the Abolition of Privy Council Jurisdiction Act, 1949, are hereby repealed.
TWELFTH SCHEDULE-Applies to the powers of municipalities- Nowhere is given the registration powers to the lacal bodies to authorise engineers for practice
(Article 243W)
1.Urban planning including town planning.
2. Regulation of land-use and construction of buildings.
3. Planning for economic and social development.
4. Roads and bridges.
5.Water supply for domestic, industrial and commercial purposes.
6. Public health, sanitation conservancy and solid waste management.
7. Fire services.
8.Urban forestry, protection of the environment and promotion of ecological aspects.
9. Safeguarding the interests of weaker sections of society, including the handicapped and mentally retarded.
10. Slum improvement and upgradation.
11. Urban poverty alleviation.
12. Provision of urban amenities and facilities such as parks, gardens, playgrounds.
13. Promotion of cultural, educational and aesthetic aspects.
14. Burials and burial grounds; cremations, cremation grounds; and electric crematoriums.
15. Cattle pounds; prevention of cruelty to animals.
16. Vital statistics including registration of births and deaths.
17. Public amenities including street lighting, parking lots, bus stops and public conveniences.
18. Regulation of slaughter houses and tanneries.

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Dear Sefians,
May I inform that on behalf of CPWD, I was given the mandate on 31-1-2001 soon after the Gujarat EQ to draft the Engineers Bill by the Hon'ble Minister of Urban Development (Shri Jagmohan ji) through Shri Krishan Kumar, Director General(Works), CPWD. The story of its fate is as under:
1.比尔以第一稿的工程师red with Institution of Engineers(India) as the regulatory statutory institution as it has naturally all inbuilt functions to regulate the engineering profession for the last more than 7 decades.
2. This draft was carried by the DGW, CPWD and myself in meeting held in the room of Hon'ble Minister on 14-2-2001. But the scene was hijacked by Prof. Ashoka Chandra, Addl Secy of Ministry of HRD (founder of ENGINEERS COUNCIL OF INDIA as post retirement institution for his own rehabilitation) with the remarks that Engineers bill is not needed as the profession could be regulated by invoking Section 10(1) (L) of AICTE Act and thus the the subject matter of engineers bill was got transferred from Ministry of Urban Development to HRD Ministry.
3. The news item was also published in Hindustan Times of 22-2-2001 and doubts of coming up of Engineers Bill thru Ministry of HRD were expressed by the print media.
4. Meeting was called on 28-3-2001 by Engineers Council of India (a society registered under the Societies Act) chaired by Prof Ashok Chandra in the very premises of Institution of Engineers(India) at New Delhi on regulating the engineering profession under the banner of Engineers Council of India wherein most of the professional engineering bodies were also invited including IE(I) [Shri H P Jamdar was present on behalf of IE(I)]
5.事实上,这个时候我们的立法草案即. 'The Engineers Bill' was already completed along with the 'Rules' for its implementation but I was asked by the DG(W) not to share the work done by CPWD and I was directed to only observe the proceedings. Hence progress made by CPWD was not shared with those attendees in that meeting except Mr Jamdar. Shri Jamdar was invited by me to Nirman Bhawan to view its Power Point Presentation on my desktop. But Mr Jamdar, who was Secretary(PWD), Gujarat never got time despite my reminding him over phone when I was in Ahmedabad in July 2001
6. However, in the meeting on 28-3-2001, the option of AICTE route of regulating engineering profession was totally negated and a separate bill was proposed. A drafting committee was proposed to be constituted with a mandate of 6 months as the time limit.
7. Since then The Engineers Bill prepared by CPWD thru me with pivotal role of Institution of Engineers (India) did not see the light of day due to internal politics of engineers and engineering community to which the top office bearers of IE(I) are also to be blamed.
8.这是相关的状态,在此基础上磨破k, I did my dessetation in 2003 titled "Disaster Mitigation by Regulating Engineering Profession--A Legislative Framework" with 'Indian Institute of Public Administration, New Delhi (IIPA)'. The copy of which is available in IIPA Library. The drafted legislation complete with Rules is as its Annexure.
9. Also an article titled as above was published (page 285-295 of proceedings) and presented in the "World Congress on Natural Disaster Mitigation" 19-22 February 2004 at New Delhi, India, which also gives the salient features of the Engineers Bill as drafted with IE(I) to have pivotal role in regulating engineering profession.
10. If agreed by the SEFI, the finalised draft "The Engineers Bill" and also its Power Point Presentation could be posted on the SEFI Home Page for others to have its scrutiny and if desired it could be considered with pivotal role IE(I) could take over to regulate engineering profession.

These bare facts, I felt like sharing with Sefians. This outburst before public is for the first time from my side.

With regards to all

Yours
Anil K Sharma

sidhudaljeet[AT]yah... wrote:
Dear Suraj Singh Ji,
I appreciate your dedication for profession and Institution that gives us recognition as an engineer in India. You seems to be �not femilar� with present Indian working system. It has dual system in each field. One is for the applicant and other is for respondent. If the thing is in favor of applicant the thing favoring respondent is put forwarded and applicant is asked it is not possible. If the applicant asks for way out than the answer is �deal� after that thing is put in rack other thing is put forward. Every judgment has contradictory judgments, experts exploit this. First of all propaganda is made then consensus then implementation it all for self motives. This �engineers bill� �engineering is not a recognized profession�. All such comes out of from a well planned system. As a normal case a final year BE student in average engineering college in India could not draw BM, SF diagram. This is the statement of HOD of a prominent engineering college in India. So future o!
f civil
engineering as profession is not very bright in India. Most of engineers do not know what is �IS 13920� what is that was the answer of our in charge design. And about AMIE it has lost it grace due to high level malpractice since it is necessary to have an engineering degree for the post of Superintending Engineer, at that AMIE is arranged. I know many peoples who has managed MR PAWAR was in charge Jalandhar he used to do this job after complaint this center was canceled. still the pesons benefitted are at good position today.
Daljeet

rccbuildings2[AT]yah... wrote:
Constitution of India references-Existing Laws to enlighten IEI Charter 1935 constituted during pre independence senario to let the ignorant Indian Engineers to be well informed.
Main purpose is to inform about the authenticity of the Charter as an order & then a law unto itself & also the powers of the president to modify, adopt or repeal any such law
PART III
FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS
General
12. Definition.�In this Part, unless the context otherwise requires, �the State�� includes the Government and Parliament of India and the Government and the Legislature of each of the States and all local or other authorities within the territory of India or under the control of the Government of India.
13. Laws inconsistent with or in derogation of the fundamental rights.�(1) All laws in force in the territory of India immediately before the commencement of this Constitution, in so far as they are inconsistent with the provisions of this Part, shall, to the extent of such inconsistency, be void.
(2) The State shall not make any law which takes away or abridges the rights conferred by this Part and any law made in contravention of this clause shall, to the extent of the contravention, be void.
(3) In this article, unless the context otherwise requires,�
(a) �law� includes any Ordinance, order, bye-law, rule, regulation, notification, custom or usage having in the territory of India the force of law;
(b) �laws in force� includes laws passed or made by a Legislature or other competent authority in the territory of India before the commencement of this Constitution and not previously repealed, notwithstanding that any such law or any part thereof may not be then in operation either at all or in particular areas.
(4) Nothing in this article shall apply to any amendment of this Constitution made under article 368.
366. Definitions.�In this Constitution, unless the context otherwise requires, the following expressions have the meanings hereby respectively assigned to them, that is to say�
(3) �article� means an article of this Constitution;
(5) �clause� means a clause of the article in which the expression occurs;
(10) �existing law� means any law, Ordinance, order, bye-law, rule or regulation passed or made before the commencement of this Constitution by any Legislature, authority or person having power to make such a law, Ordinance, order, bye-law, rule or regulation;
(15) �Indian State� means any territory which the Government of the Dominion of India recognised as such a State;
(16)�Part� means a Part of this Constitution;
(19) �public notification� means a notification in the Gazette of India, or, as the case may be, the Official Gazette of a State;
367.Interpretation.�(1) Unless the context otherwise requires, the General Clauses Act, 1897, shall, subject to any adaptations and modifications that may be made therein under article 372, apply for the interpretation of this Constitution as it applies for the interpretation of an Act of the Legislature of the Dominion of India.
(2) Any reference in this Constitution to Acts or laws of, or made by, Parliament, or to Acts or laws of, or made by, the Legislature of a State, shall be construed as including a reference to an Ordinance made by the President or, to an Ordinance made by a Governor, as the case may be.
(3) For the purposes of this Constitution �foreign State� means any State other than India:
Provided that, subject to the provisions of any law made by Parliament, the President may by order declare any State not to be a foreign State for such purposes as may be specified in the order.
372. Continuance in force of existing laws and their adaptation.�(1) Notwithstanding the repeal by this Constitution of the enactments referred to in article 395 but subject to the other provisions of this Constitution, all the law in force in the territory of India immediately before the commencement of this Constitution shall continue in force therein until altered or repealed or amended by a competent Legislature or other competent authority.
(2) For the purpose of brining the provisions of any law in force in the territory of India into accord with the provisions of this Constitution, the President may by order make such adaptations and modifications of such law, whether by way of repeal or amendment, as may be necessary or expedient, and provide that the law shall, as from such date as may be specified in the order, have effect subject to the adaptations and modifications so made, and any such adaptation or modification shall not be questioned in any court of law.
(3) Nothing in clause (2) shall be deemed�
(a) to empower the President to make any adaptation or modification of any law after the expiration of three years from the commencement of this Constitution; or
(b),以防止任何称职的立法机关或其他competent authority from repealing or amending any law adapted or modified by the President under the said clause.
Explanation I.�The expression �law in force� in this article shall include a law passed or made by a Legislature or other competent authority in the territory of India before the commencement of this Constitution and not previously repealed, notwithstanding that it or parts of it may not be then in operation either at all or in particular areas.
Explanation II.�Any law passed or made by a Legislature or other competent authority in the territory of India which immediately before the commencement of this Constitution had extra-territorial effect as well as effect in the territory of India shall, subject to any such adaptations and modifications as aforesaid, contiue to have such extra-territorial effect.
Explanation III.�Nothing in this article shall be construed as continuing any temporary law in force beyond the date fixed for its expiration or the date on which it would have expired if this Constitution had not come into force.
Explanation IV.�An Ordinance promulgated by the Governor of a Province under section 88 of the Government of India Act, 1935, and in force immediately before the commencement of this Constitution shall, unless withdrawn by the Governor of the corresponding State earlier, cease to operate at the expiration of six weeks from the first meeting after such commencement of the Legislative Assembly of that State functioning under clause (1) of article 382, and nothing in this article shall be construed as continuing any such Ordinance in force beyond the said period.
372A. Power of the President to adapt laws.�(1) For the purposes of bringing the provisions of any law in force in India or in any part thereof, immediately before the commencement of the Constitution (Seventh Amendment) Act, 1956, into accord with the provisions of this Constitution as amended by that Act, the President may by order made before the first day of November, 1957, make such adaptations and modifications of the law, whether by way of repeal or amendment, as may be necessary or expedient, and provide that the law shall, as from such date as may be specified in the order, have effect subject to the adaptations and modifications so made, and any such adaptation or modification shall not be questioned in any court of law.
(2) Nothing in clause (1) shall be deemed to prevent a competent Legislature or other competent authority from repealing or amending any law adapted or modified by the President under the said clause.
PART XXII
SHORT TITLE, COMMENCEMENT, AUTHORITATIVE TEXT IN HINDI AND REPEALS
393. Short title.�This Constitution may be called the Constitution of India.
394.毕业典礼。本文�和文章5、67, 8, 9, 60, 324, 366, 367, 379, 380, 388, 391, 392 and 393 shall come into force at once, and the remaining provisions of this Constitution shall come into force on the twenty-sixth day of January, 1950, which day is referred to in this Constitution as the commencement of this Constitution.
394A. Authoritative text in the Hindi language.�(1) The President shall cause to be published under his authority,�
(a) the translation of this Constitution in the Hindi language, signed by the members of the Constituent Assembly, with such modifications as may be necessary to bring it in conformity with the language, style and terminology adopted in the authoritative texts of Central Acts in the Hindi language, and incorporating therein all the amendments of this Constitution made before such publication; and
(b) the translation in the Hindi language of every amendment of this Constitution made in the English language.
(2) The translation of this Constitution and of every amendment thereof published under clause (1) shall be construed to have the same meaning as the original thereof and if any difficulty arises in so construing any part of such translation, the President shall cause the same to be revised suitably.
(3) The translation of this Constitution and of every amendment thereof published under this article shall be deemed to be, for all purposes, the authoritative text thereof in the Hindi language.
395. Repeals.�The Indian Independence Act, 1947, and the Government of India Act, 1935, together with all enactments amending or supplementing the latter Act, but not including the Abolition of Privy Council Jurisdiction Act, 1949, are hereby repealed.
TWELFTH SCHEDULE-Applies to the powers of municipalities- Nowhere is given the registration powers to the lacal bodies to authorise engineers for practice
(Article 243W)
1.Urban planning including town planning.
2. Regulation of land-use and construction of buildings.
3. Planning for economic and social development.
4. Roads and bridges.
5.Water supply for domestic, industrial and commercial purposes.
6. Public health, sanitation conservancy and solid waste management.
7. Fire services.
8.Urban forestry, protection of the environment and promotion of ecological aspects.
9. Safeguarding the interests of weaker sections of society, including the handicapped and mentally retarded.
10. Slum improvement and upgradation.
11. Urban poverty alleviation.
12. Provision of urban amenities and facilities such as parks, gardens, playgrounds.
13. Promotion of cultural, educational and aesthetic aspects.
14. Burials and burial grounds; cremations, cremation grounds; and electric crematoriums.
15. Cattle pounds; prevention of cruelty to animals.
16. Vital statistics including registration of births and deaths.
17. Public amenities including street lighting, parking lots, bus stops and public conveniences.
18. Regulation of slaughter houses and tanneries.

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Dear AK Sharma Ji
Lot of thanks for sharing this important information.
Daljeet

aksharmacpwd[AT]yah... wrote:
Dear Sefians,
May I inform that on behalf of CPWD, I was given the mandate on 31-1-2001 soon after the Gujarat EQ to draft the Engineers Bill by the Hon'ble Minister of Urban Development (Shri Jagmohan ji) through Shri Krishan Kumar, Director General(Works), CPWD. The story of its fate is as under:
1.比尔以第一稿的工程师red with Institution of Engineers(India) as the regulatory statutory institution as it has naturally all inbuilt functions to regulate the engineering profession for the last more than 7 decades.
2. This draft was carried by the DGW, CPWD and myself in meeting held in the room of Hon'ble Minister on 14-2-2001. But the scene was hijacked by Prof. Ashoka Chandra, Addl Secy of Ministry of HRD (founder of ENGINEERS COUNCIL OF INDIA as post retirement institution for his own rehabilitation) with the remarks that Engineers bill is not needed as the profession could be regulated by invoking Section 10(1) (L) of AICTE Act and thus the the subject matter of engineers bill was got transferred from Ministry of Urban Development to HRD Ministry.
3. The news item was also published in Hindustan Times of 22-2-2001 and doubts of coming up of Engineers Bill thru Ministry of HRD were expressed by the print media.
4. Meeting was called on 28-3-2001 by Engineers Council of India (a society registered under the Societies Act) chaired by Prof Ashok Chandra in the very premises of Institution of Engineers(India) at New Delhi on regulating the engineering profession under the banner of Engineers Council of India wherein most of the professional engineering bodies were also invited including IE(I) [Shri H P Jamdar was present on behalf of IE(I)]
5.事实上,这个时候我们的立法草案即. 'The Engineers Bill' was already completed along with the 'Rules' for its implementation but I was asked by the DG(W) not to share the work done by CPWD and I was directed to only observe the proceedings. Hence progress made by CPWD was not shared with those attendees in that meeting except Mr Jamdar. Shri Jamdar was invited by me to Nirman Bhawan to view its Power Point Presentation on my desktop. But Mr Jamdar, who was Secretary(PWD), Gujarat never got time despite my reminding him over phone when I was in Ahmedabad in July 2001
6. However, in the meeting on 28-3-2001, the option of AICTE route of regulating engineering profession was totally negated and a separate bill was proposed. A drafting committee was proposed to be constituted with a mandate of 6 months as the time limit.
7. Since then The Engineers Bill prepared by CPWD thru me with pivotal role of Institution of Engineers (India) did not see the light of day due to internal politics of engineers and engineering community to which the top office bearers of IE(I) are also to be blamed.
8.这是相关的状态,在此基础上磨破k, I did my dessetation in 2003 titled "Disaster Mitigation by Regulating Engineering Profession--A Legislative Framework" with 'Indian Institute of Public Administration, New Delhi (IIPA)'. The copy of which is available in IIPA Library. The drafted legislation complete with Rules is as its Annexure.
9. Also an article titled as above was published (page 285-295 of proceedings) and presented in the "World Congress on Natural Disaster Mitigation" 19-22 February 2004 at New Delhi, India, which also gives the salient features of the Engineers Bill as drafted with IE(I) to have pivotal role in regulating engineering profession.
10. If agreed by the SEFI, the finalised draft "The Engineers Bill" and also its Power Point Presentation could be posted on the SEFI Home Page for others to have its scrutiny and if desired it could be considered with pivotal role IE(I) could take over to regulate engineering profession.

These bare facts, I felt like sharing with Sefians. This outburst before public is for the first time from my side.

With regards to all

Yours
Anil K Sharma

sidhudaljeet[AT]yah... wrote:
Dear Suraj Singh Ji,
I appreciate your dedication for profession and Institution that gives us recognition as an engineer in India. You seems to be �not femilar� with present Indian working system. It has dual system in each field. One is for the applicant and other is for respondent. If the thing is in favor of applicant the thing favoring respondent is put forwarded and applicant is asked it is not possible. If the applicant asks for way out than the answer is �deal� after that thing is put in rack other thing is put forward. Every judgment has contradictory judgments, experts exploit this. First of all propaganda is made then consensus then implementation it all for self motives. This �engineers bill� �engineering is not a recognized profession�. All such comes out of from a well planned system. As a normal case a final year BE student in average engineering college in India could not draw BM, SF diagram. This is the statement of HOD of a prominent engineering college in India. So future o!
f civil
engineering as profession is not very bright in India. Most of engineers do not know what is �IS 13920� what is that was the answer of our in charge design. And about AMIE it has lost it grace due to high level malpractice since it is necessary to have an engineering degree for the post of Superintending Engineer, at that AMIE is arranged. I know many peoples who has managed MR PAWAR was in charge Jalandhar he used to do this job after complaint this center was canceled. still the pesons benefitted are at good position today.
Daljeet

rccbuildings2[AT]yah... wrote:
Constitution of India references-Existing Laws to enlighten IEI Charter 1935 constituted during pre independence senario to let the ignorant Indian Engineers to be well informed.
Main purpose is to inform about the authenticity of the Charter as an order & then a law unto itself & also the powers of the president to modify, adopt or repeal any such law
PART III
FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS
General
12. Definition.�In this Part, unless the context otherwise requires, �the State�� includes the Government and Parliament of India and the Government and the Legislature of each of the States and all local or other authorities within the territory of India or under the control of the Government of India.
13. Laws inconsistent with or in derogation of the fundamental rights.�(1) All laws in force in the territory of India immediately before the commencement of this Constitution, in so far as they are inconsistent with the provisions of this Part, shall, to the extent of such inconsistency, be void.
(2) The State shall not make any law which takes away or abridges the rights conferred by this Part and any law made in contravention of this clause shall, to the extent of the contravention, be void.
(3) In this article, unless the context otherwise requires,�
(a) �law� includes any Ordinance, order, bye-law, rule, regulation, notification, custom or usage having in the territory of India the force of law;
(b) �laws in force� includes laws passed or made by a Legislature or other competent authority in the territory of India before the commencement of this Constitution and not previously repealed, notwithstanding that any such law or any part thereof may not be then in operation either at all or in particular areas.
(4) Nothing in this article shall apply to any amendment of this Constitution made under article 368.
366. Definitions.�In this Constitution, unless the context otherwise requires, the following expressions have the meanings hereby respectively assigned to them, that is to say�
(3) �article� means an article of this Constitution;
(5) �clause� means a clause of the article in which the expression occurs;
(10) �existing law� means any law, Ordinance, order, bye-law, rule or regulation passed or made before the commencement of this Constitution by any Legislature, authority or person having power to make such a law, Ordinance, order, bye-law, rule or regulation;
(15) �Indian State� means any territory which the Government of the Dominion of India recognised as such a State;
(16)�Part� means a Part of this Constitution;
(19) �public notification� means a notification in the Gazette of India, or, as the case may be, the Official Gazette of a State;
367.Interpretation.�(1) Unless the context otherwise requires, the General Clauses Act, 1897, shall, subject to any adaptations and modifications that may be made therein under article 372, apply for the interpretation of this Constitution as it applies for the interpretation of an Act of the Legislature of the Dominion of India.
(2) Any reference in this Constitution to Acts or laws of, or made by, Parliament, or to Acts or laws of, or made by, the Legislature of a State, shall be construed as including a reference to an Ordinance made by the President or, to an Ordinance made by a Governor, as the case may be.
(3) For the purposes of this Constitution �foreign State� means any State other than India:
Provided that, subject to the provisions of any law made by Parliament, the President may by order declare any State not to be a foreign State for such purposes as may be specified in the order.
372. Continuance in force of existing laws and their adaptation.�(1) Notwithstanding the repeal by this Constitution of the enactments referred to in article 395 but subject to the other provisions of this Constitution, all the law in force in the territory of India immediately before the commencement of this Constitution shall continue in force therein until altered or repealed or amended by a competent Legislature or other competent authority.
(2) For the purpose of brining the provisions of any law in force in the territory of India into accord with the provisions of this Constitution, the President may by order make such adaptations and modifications of such law, whether by way of repeal or amendment, as may be necessary or expedient, and provide that the law shall, as from such date as may be specified in the order, have effect subject to the adaptations and modifications so made, and any such adaptation or modification shall not be questioned in any court of law.
(3) Nothing in clause (2) shall be deemed�
(a) to empower the President to make any adaptation or modification of any law after the expiration of three years from the commencement of this Constitution; or
(b),以防止任何称职的立法机关或其他competent authority from repealing or amending any law adapted or modified by the President under the said clause.
Explanation I.�The expression �law in force� in this article shall include a law passed or made by a Legislature or other competent authority in the territory of India before the commencement of this Constitution and not previously repealed, notwithstanding that it or parts of it may not be then in operation either at all or in particular areas.
Explanation II.�Any law passed or made by a Legislature or other competent authority in the territory of India which immediately before the commencement of this Constitution had extra-territorial effect as well as effect in the territory of India shall, subject to any such adaptations and modifications as aforesaid, contiue to have such extra-territorial effect.
Explanation III.�Nothing in this article shall be construed as continuing any temporary law in force beyond the date fixed for its expiration or the date on which it would have expired if this Constitution had not come into force.
Explanation IV.�An Ordinance promulgated by the Governor of a Province under section 88 of the Government of India Act, 1935, and in force immediately before the commencement of this Constitution shall, unless withdrawn by the Governor of the corresponding State earlier, cease to operate at the expiration of six weeks from the first meeting after such commencement of the Legislative Assembly of that State functioning under clause (1) of article 382, and nothing in this article shall be construed as continuing any such Ordinance in force beyond the said period.
372A. Power of the President to adapt laws.�(1) For the purposes of bringing the provisions of any law in force in India or in any part thereof, immediately before the commencement of the Constitution (Seventh Amendment) Act, 1956, into accord with the provisions of this Constitution as amended by that Act, the President may by order made before the first day of November, 1957, make such adaptations and modifications of the law, whether by way of repeal or amendment, as may be necessary or expedient, and provide that the law shall, as from such date as may be specified in the order, have effect subject to the adaptations and modifications so made, and any such adaptation or modification shall not be questioned in any court of law.
(2) Nothing in clause (1) shall be deemed to prevent a competent Legislature or other competent authority from repealing or amending any law adapted or modified by the President under the said clause.
PART XXII
SHORT TITLE, COMMENCEMENT, AUTHORITATIVE TEXT IN HINDI AND REPEALS
393. Short title.�This Constitution may be called the Constitution of India.
394.毕业典礼。本文�和文章5、67, 8, 9, 60, 324, 366, 367, 379, 380, 388, 391, 392 and 393 shall come into force at once, and the remaining provisions of this Constitution shall come into force on the twenty-sixth day of January, 1950, which day is referred to in this Constitution as the commencement of this Constitution.
394A. Authoritative text in the Hindi language.�(1) The President shall cause to be published under his authority,�
(a) the translation of this Constitution in the Hindi language, signed by the members of the Constituent Assembly, with such modifications as may be necessary to bring it in conformity with the language, style and terminology adopted in the authoritative texts of Central Acts in the Hindi language, and incorporating therein all the amendments of this Constitution made before such publication; and
(b) the translation in the Hindi language of every amendment of this Constitution made in the English language.
(2) The translation of this Constitution and of every amendment thereof published under clause (1) shall be construed to have the same meaning as the original thereof and if any difficulty arises in so construing any part of such translation, the President shall cause the same to be revised suitably.
(3) The translation of this Constitution and of every amendment thereof published under this article shall be deemed to be, for all purposes, the authoritative text thereof in the Hindi language.
395. Repeals.�The Indian Independence Act, 1947, and the Government of India Act, 1935, together with all enactments amending or supplementing the latter Act, but not including the Abolition of Privy Council Jurisdiction Act, 1949, are hereby repealed.
TWELFTH SCHEDULE-Applies to the powers of municipalities- Nowhere is given the registration powers to the lacal bodies to authorise engineers for practice
(Article 243W)
1.Urban planning including town planning.
2. Regulation of land-use and construction of buildings.
3. Planning for economic and social development.
4. Roads and bridges.
5.Water supply for domestic, industrial and commercial purposes.
6. Public health, sanitation conservancy and solid waste management.
7. Fire services.
8.Urban forestry, protection of the environment and promotion of ecological aspects.
9. Safeguarding the interests of weaker sections of society, including the handicapped and mentally retarded.
10. Slum improvement and upgradation.
11. Urban poverty alleviation.
12. Provision of urban amenities and facilities such as parks, gardens, playgrounds.
13. Promotion of cultural, educational and aesthetic aspects.
14. Burials and burial grounds; cremations, cremation grounds; and electric crematoriums.
15. Cattle pounds; prevention of cruelty to animals.
16. Vital statistics including registration of births and deaths.
17. Public amenities including street lighting, parking lots, bus stops and public conveniences.
18. Regulation of slaughter houses and tanneries.

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daljeet sir,
this is anurag from nagpur a p.g student .with all due respect to u sir .
it is very disappointing to read what u wrote about the future of indian
civil engineering students and profession .
i request plz do not generalize the standards of civil engg students by
write something as pathetic as thay cannot draw sfd and bmd .yes there r
students who cant but most of them all round our country can .
profeessionals saying this is very disheartening . i being a student m tryin
hard to eradicate this common belief that only people from reputed
institutions and those with good academic qualifications r the ones who
know the feild susbtantially .
my point is plz do not generalize .coz students like us who r interested in
the field not just as a profession but something much more can get dis
heartened.
when u generalize avg institutions in india good interested students there r
affected too.
请注意的。
i ensure u that future of civil engineering is bright and our generation
will prove it.

On Thu Dec 8 22:40:07 2005, sidhudaljeet[AT]yah... < sidhudaljeet[AT]yah...>
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[Ravindra.Panhale]

well said

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thank u ravindra sir

On Mon Dec 19 16:59:54 2005, ravindra[AT]sof... <
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well said

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