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Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2012 11:45 amPost subject: Fire Water Provision For Tall Buildings |
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Fire Water Provision For Tall Buildings 1Contemplation requires to be made for including firewater tank or reservoir for structures 2Every floor should have one outlet for pressurized firewater through one of many risers 3All such risers outlets should terminate somewhere adjacent to fire hose reel location 4Firewater tank should be located below basements or somewhere adjacent to tall structures 5May be more than one tank would be required to cater for firewater demand 6It should be kept in consideration that not more than 4 or 5 floors could be susceptible to fire attack at one time 7This duration should be adequate enough for firefighting personnel to combat fire 8Tall structures may not allow adjacent locations due to various factors involved 9Below structure locations should be investigated with architect, fire officers & past mistakes 10Tall structures more than wind effect & seismic, could be dangerous from fire attack view point 11It is not feasible to have occupants vacate premises in panic 12It is dangerous to vacate using staircase that can result in accidents 13Pressurized water line can be made use of immediately, after fire break 14Control of such line pumping should be from outside building & from standby electric supply distribution boards, since main supply is disconnected during fire 15Pressurised water line could pass through structural slabs so that its static load is anchored, while running pipes concealed by architectural ducts 16烈酒坦克不应该用于饮用水分r services 17A separate pimp room should be designed for delivering sound services to combat fire 18On an integrated self contained complex, comprising many such tall structures, externally integrated fire water supply ring main should be provided all times, duly pressurized without fail, with adequate cut off in sections arrangements for maintenance purpose 19Structural & mechanical services coordination is required for all such provisions 20In case, many risers are included within building�s design, all should be interlinked so that water from one could be drawn by other one to efficiently extinguish fire _________________ Thanks & Warm Regards IntPE(India)Suraj Singh FIE Civil Engineering & Arbitration
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Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2012 4:57 amPost subject: Loss Prevention on Buildings/Fire Suppression |
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Loss Prevention on Buildings/Fire Suppression 1Already noted about firefighting basic provisions on buildings, which accommodate large number of occupants & are prone all times to fire attack 2Though included provisions may not be perfect keeping abreast various circumstances, but yet supportive from prevention view point 3Certain question should be asked by designer pertinent to such issues 4Promoter should also, ask self, whether or not, sole criteria is to make money out of building promotion or to help occupants live safely 5Indeed losses can toll no limits, when life of occupants is made a consideration 6Building could be made howsoever, decorative & attractive provided with all best facilities & appliances, but within minutes, death arrives should loss prevention concept is not integrated with building 7Loss prevention is mandatorily applied on industrial oil projects, where fire is susceptible all times, without any warning, but such projects are never limited on budget considerations 8Tall buildings are used as a product of sale to users/occupant, which consideration inculcates proposition by promoter to produce, deliver & make money with no worry of future safety 9Moreover, premises cannot be sealed during emergency, which application can easily be applied for areas on other projects that accommodate high value data & relevant IT rooms 10Though all occupants intend & wish to use air conditioning throughout, which provision necessitates keep premises closed for an effective conditioning 11Fire is a major element that can bring in heavy losses of material & human involved 12Within minutes, losses can occur, if no loss prevention applied/included 13Smoke detection system can be utilized for areas, which do not require use of fire based appliance 14吸烟在内部区域应该是一个前提voided, while some chambers in common areas can be allowed for smoking 15Suppression gases such as FM 200 or Inergen can be used in some significant areas that could result in heavy losses, in case of fire break out 16Such areas may not be feasible to be automatically sealed, when fire is broken out, yet, manual activation of gas may be conducted, after closing areas 17Effect of such gases is very positive, since it takes few minutes only to combat fire by reducing oxygen level within fire 18Gas comprises of nitrogen, argon & oxygen effect of which is that during fire, level of oxygen is reduced simultaneously, augmenting carbon dioxide level, which helps maintain minimum respiration level 19At least data & systems can be saved during fires by sealing area 20Foregoing method has been given for information only, since in residential buildings where large number of occupants live, practically, it may not be possible, but in non residential areas, application can be made successful 21All common circulation areas should be kept all time obstruction free by allowing no material storage, even for temporary purpose 22Where buildings are too close, to building under fire, other building also, shall be susceptible to fire, yet it would assist in evacuation of fire trapped occupant to walk in to no fire building, when links by ordinary walk ways are provided between two buildings at certain levels 23Staircase steps risers & treads should be so proportioned that during their use in emergent situation, no untoward incident occurs, 24People should not avoid using staircase just because riser is too high 25应提供紧急楼梯立管马克斯imum of 125 mm & less if possible say 100 mm, so that it can be used even by old people 26Width of stair waist should be considerable, so that occupants can walk up or down with convenience avoiding falling incidents 27Flight should not contain more than 12 risers without intermediate provisions of landings 28Though, not in practice for varied reasons, on external surfaces adjacent to emergency stairs, to facilitate downwards movement/descending, cat ladders/steps with adequate width can be provided from top floor to bottom floors at certain locations 29Such steps can immediately, assist fire trapped occupants to exit building line by breaking window stepping in to hold cat step & at least save life by reaching to non fire trapped floor _________________ Thanks & Warm Regards IntPE(India)Suraj Singh FIE Civil Engineering & Arbitration
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Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 10:43 amPost subject: Emergencies-Fire & others |
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Emergencies-Fire & others
- Services particularly, required for meeting emergencies can be best utilised, while serving many building same time
- I already suggested that plan for making just one tall building shall not be tenable
- Once many buildings are require for locating in same area, a mode of mini tall city can be designated, which require common building services
- In such cases, network for such major complex can allow dedicated major network pertinent various service
- Dedicated stations such as fire fighting tenders can be included as part of such complex
- Various other civil amenities can be added such as substations, police stations, medical centre/s, schools & markets etc
- Car ports also, multilevel can be added to cater for all such buildings & would be economical in construction as well as, operation
- Such integration gives way for larger provisions of budget to head to services such as fire fighting & water supply
- All such services require very expensive equipment relating to all services discipline
- Water for firefighting required to be available around such buildings in ring main shall successfully support fire fighting quantities of water
- It is true that all buildings, when designed duly located distant with considerable gap, shall not be susceptible to fire
- Just like considered on oil plants designs that only one or two processing trains may be subject to fire, in case of tall buildings same consideration may apply
- Such consideration shall reduce financial loading on all buildings, since provision of one system shall support scope within complex area
- Ring main should be so networked that piping moves around complex serving all buildings with ease & allowing dedicated storage in reservoir
- In case of monitoring to arrest corrosion on reinforcing bars, cathodic protection could also, be provided on all buildings in a major network to be controlled remotely from a common controls
- Anodes may be provided on major & significant columns & shear walls att all levels linked with GI wire/rope around all foundations main bars & at all levels bars
- Cathodic provision can assist prolonging buildings life
- Calcium nitrite should also be used for piling concrete & also in foundations
- In addition to BMS, other loss prevention systems such as earthing & lightening do cause an issue on buildings, which must be provided to requirements
- I noted on somewhere that electric substations has been located within building on Burj, that I do not agree with
- Better should it be located separately, to arrest mishap, though GIS system might have been employed on switch gears
- Many services floors would be required within all tall buildings for continuous functioning to run first class systems, which add to additional design parameters to considerations
_________________ Thanks & Warm Regards IntPE(India)Suraj Singh FIE Civil Engineering & Arbitration
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