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[alpa_sheth]

Dear All:


Consequent to my mail requesting more participation from all, there has been such a flurry of activity, it is hard to keep up with the discussions on multiple topics of Tall buildings.
I am going to try to discuss one new topic re. tall buildings � a comparison of the way the Chinese code look at tall building design vs. what we have in India (and a bit in the ASCE codes as discussed by Prof Swami and Ms. Anjana Kadakia) and along the way I think many of the issues/queries raised will receive an alternative opinion
I make special mention of the China code JGJ-3 �Technical Specification for Concrete Structures of Tall Buildings� as no other code in the world, IMHO has as detailed prescriptive requirements for tall buildings. I will not refer to Steel buildings herein which have a separate high rise code in China . what the prescriptive measures are, I will highlight herein soon enough, but first let me discuss what happens to projects which do not follow the parameters given in this code or what are called �Code-Exceeding Buildings�
代码——超过建筑在中国,有一个very detailed Engineering Panel Review carried out for the Building Administration Authority by a Panel comprising several (more than 5) experts to review the design; These experts are part of the larger National Panel (current panel of national experts has 44 regular members and 8 advisory members comprising of eminent members selected from academia and practice). They may Pass, Fail or Send the Building for Redesign/Revaluation after detailed discussions with the design team and client. The genesis of the panel formation was a document �Provisions on Administration of Seismic Fortification of Code-exceeding High-rise Buildings� . The main objective of the process is in some ways to �punish� if I may, such code exceeding buildings by requiring them to be designed for enhanced performance objectives over and above the prescriptive code and identifying key areas of weakness which make them �deviants� of the prescriptive code and additionally strengthen them, beyond prescriptive code requirements so that they no longer are the �weak links�. The idea is to ensure much more structural safety, redundancy, and structural efficiency for a limited cost. The system depends heavily on �structural wisdom� of experts. You can read more on this in a paper �APPROVAL PROCESSES FOR THE DESIGN OF TALL, NON-PRESCRIPTIVE STRUCTURES� Mark Sarkisian, Neville Mathias and Zhao-fan Li published/to be published in IABSE .

Okay now going back to the prescriptive code and I am interpreting the Chinese Code (the part I had access to) to respond to many queries on typical Issues being discussed in the econference. (China is divided into 5 seismic zones varying from Intensity 6 to 9 corresponding to PGA 0.05g to 0.4g respectively in a 10% in 50 year event.

a)What are the height limitations of the structural systems that may be used in each zone?
Allowable height in m. for regular buildings (roughly equiv to Importance factor of 1.0 for us)

System	Seismic Intensity 6	Seismic Intensity 7 (~ IS Zone III)	Seismic Intensity 8 (~ Zone IV)	Seismic Intensity 9 (Zone V)
Frame Only	60	50	40	NA
Frame -Shear Wall	160	140	120	100
Shear wall only (going up to ground)	170	150	130	110
(Flat) Slab-column Shear wall	80	70	55	NA
Tube with frame-corewall/Tube in tube	210/280	180/230	140/170	120/150

I have simplified it a bit, pl note. But no such restriction in IS code

b)What are allowable inter-story deflections?

L/550 for frame structure, L/800 for frame shear wall, frame �core wall and (flat) slab- column shear wall, L/1000 for shear wall only and tune-in-tube, L/1000 for transfer story (L=ht)- (Sangeeta Wij had asked re. transfer floors. I hope this and the requirements for code-exceeding buildings responds partially to her query. )

The requirements are same for wind as well as standard value frequent earthquakes.

Compare this with IS Code L/500 for all structural systems for wind design and L/250 for earthquake design. (Not discussing allowable interstory elasto-plastic displacement angle presently)

c)What is the max allowable Aspect Ratio of a Building ?

它基于结构体系的选择和变化the Seismic Zone. Max allowable aspect ratio is 8 for Intensity 6/7 regions with Tube-in-tube system and max aspect ratio is 3 for a frame wall system in Intensity 8. No such restriction in IS code

d)What is the max width to Length ratio in plan?

For intensity 6/7, length cannot be more than 6 time breadth for rectangular buildings. No such restriction in IS code

e)What is the max area of openings in a floor slab?

30% of floor area. No such restriction in IS code

f)What is the max wind vibration acceleration permitted ?

住宅0.15米/ s2,办公室0.25 m/s2. No such restriction in IS code

g)How do you account for non-bearing masonry walls in stiffness calculations?

The Chinese code does not have empirical Time period formulae as in IS code. However it says that the stiffness of these walls may be accounted by factoring the Time period calculated through analysis by a reduction coefficient equal to 0.6~0.7 for frame buildings, 0.7~0.8 for frame-shear wall buildings, 08~1.0 for shearwall buildings.

I think this is a long enough mail for now.

Thanks and best regards,

Alpa Sheth

[mehtavin]

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Regards,

Vinay Mehta


From:alpa_sheth [mailto:forum@www.buonovino.com]
Sent:Friday, November 23, 2012 2:23 PM
To:econf34289@www.buonovino.com
Subject:[SPAM]- [E-CONF] Comapring Tall Building Design China vs India - Part I



Dear All:


Consequent to my mail requesting more participation from all, there has been such a flurry of activity, it is hard to keep up with the discussions on multiple topics of Tall buildings.
I am going to try to discuss one new topic re. tall buildings – a comparison of the way the Chinese code look at tall building design vs. what we have in India (and a bit in the ASCE codes as discussed by Prof Swami and Ms. Anjana Kadakia) and along the way I think many of the issues/queries raised will receive an alternative opinion
I make special mention of the China code JGJ-3 “Technical Specification for Concrete Structures of Tall Buildings” as no other code in the world, IMHO has as detailed prescriptive requirements for tall buildings. I will not refer to Steel buildings herein which have a separate high rise code in China . what the prescriptive measures are, I will highlight herein soon enough, but first let me discuss what happens to projects which do not follow the parameters given in this code or what are called “Code-Exceeding Buildings”
代码——超过建筑在中国,有一个very detailed Engineering Panel Review carried out for the Building Administration Authority by a Panel comprising several (more than 5) experts to review the design; These experts are part of the larger National Panel (current panel of national experts has 44 regular members and 8 advisory members comprising of eminent members selected from academia and practice). They may Pass, Fail or Send the Building for Redesign/Revaluation after detailed discussions with the design team and client. The genesis of the panel formation was a document “Provisions on Administration of Seismic Fortification of Code-exceeding High-rise Buildings” . The main objective of the process is in some ways to “punish” if I may, such code exceeding buildings by requiring them to be designed for enhanced performance objectives over and above the prescriptive code and identifying key areas of weakness which make them “deviants” of the prescriptive code and additionally strengthen them, beyond prescriptive code requirements so that they no longer are the “weak links”. The idea is to ensure much more structural safety, redundancy, and structural efficiency for a limited cost. The system depends heavily on “structural wisdom” of experts. You can read more on this in a paper “APPROVAL PROCESSES FOR THE DESIGN OF TALL, NON-PRESCRIPTIVE STRUCTURES” Mark Sarkisian, Neville Mathias and Zhao-fan Li published/to be published in IABSE .

Okay now going back to the prescriptive code and I am interpreting the Chinese Code (the part I had access to) to respond to many queries on typical Issues being discussed in the econference. (China is divided into 5 seismic zones varying from Intensity 6 to 9 corresponding to PGA 0.05g to 0.4g respectively in a 10% in 50 year event.

a) What are the height limitations of the structural systems that may be used in each zone?
Allowable height in m. for regular buildings (roughly equiv to Importance factor of 1.0 for us)
System
Seismic Intensity 6
Seismic Intensity 7 (~ IS Zone III)
Seismic Intensity 8 (~ Zone IV)
Seismic Intensity 9
(Zone V)
Frame Only
60
50
40
NA
Frame -Shear Wall
160
140
120
100
Shear wall only (going up to ground)
170
150
130
110
(Flat) Slab-column Shear wall
80
70
55
NA
Tube with frame-corewall/Tube in tube
210/280
180/230
140/170
120/150

I have simplified it a bit, pl note. But no such restriction in IS code

b)What are allowable inter-story deflections?

L/550 for frame structure, L/800 for frame shear wall, frame –core wall and (flat) slab- column shear wall, L/1000 for shear wall only and tune-in-tube, L/1000 for transfer story (L=ht)- (Sangeeta Wij had asked re. transfer floors. I hope this and the requirements for code-exceeding buildings responds partially to her query. )

The requirements are same for wind as well as standard value frequent earthquakes.
Compare this with IS Code L/500 for all structural systems for wind design and L/250 for earthquake design. (Not discussing allowable interstory elasto-plastic displacement angle presently)

c) What is the max allowable Aspect Ratio of a Building ?
它基于结构体系的选择和变化the Seismic Zone. Max allowable aspect ratio is 8 for Intensity 6/7 regions with Tube-in-tube system and max aspect ratio is 3 for a frame wall system in Intensity 8. No such restriction in IS code

d) What is the max width to Length ratio in plan?
For intensity 6/7, length cannot be more than 6 time breadth for rectangular buildings. No such restriction in IS code

e) What is the max area of openings in a floor slab?
30% of floor area. No such restriction in IS code

f) What is the max wind vibration acceleration permitted ?
住宅0.15米/ s2,办公室0.25 m/s2. No such restriction in IS code

g) How do you account for non-bearing masonry walls in stiffness calculations?
The Chinese code does not have empirical Time period formulae as in IS code. However it says that the stiffness of these walls may be accounted by factoring the Time period calculated through analysis by a reduction coefficient equal to 0.6~0.7 for frame buildings, 0.7~0.8 for frame-shear wall buildings, 08~1.0 for shearwall buildings.

I think this is a long enough mail for now.

Thanks and best regards,

Alpa Sheth

Posted via Email

[ishacon]

Absolutely fantastic information as a digest of Chinese code.
No wonder the people there respect the rule of law
and follow the stringent requirements, spelled out unlike the Indian Codes, which have loop holes, similar to the Laws of our country.

VP Agarwal
ISHA CONSULTANTS (P) LTD
NEW DELHI 110074

PH : 011-2630 1158 ;
08010071749 ; 093 1345 2180

[Dr. N. Subramanian]

Dear Er Agarwal,

Please see the posting on a similar precast prefab building in China by me and the comments by Dr Swaminathan, the Moderator of this conf.

//www.buonovino.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12920
Also see the note on two tall buildings in China
//www.buonovino.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13167
//www.buonovino.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13164

Regards,
NS

" = " ishacon "]绝对奇妙的信息s a digest of Chinese code.
No wonder the people there respect the rule of law
and follow the stringent requirements, spelled out unlike the Indian Codes, which have loop holes, similar to the Laws of our country.

VP Agarwal
ISHA CONSULTANTS (P) LTD
NEW DELHI 110074

PH : 011-2630 1158 ;
08010071749 ; 093 1345 2180

[biju]

Dear madam,

Pls. check the acceleration values.

It can be 10 to 25 milli g, ie 0.01 to 0.025 m/s2.

regards,

Biju

[Dr. N. Subramanian]

Dear Er Alpa,

Glad to note that china has a separate code on Tall buildings for Concrete as well as Steel. Unless India also has a special code, it can not cover all the aspects of Tall Buildings in a single code. Note that BIS has separate codes on Precast structures, shell structures, etc. In concrete alone it has about 80 codes.

It reminds me that China also has a separate code on Space Structures! When I proposed a similar code, by sending a copy of the same to BIS- I even attended the committee meeting. But a professor, known to me, put spokes into the proposal and stalled the code.

Please provide the link to the paper mentioned by you.

Regards,
Subramanian

[alpa_sheth]

Biju,

The values given in my mail are correct.
10 millig = 0.1m/s2
You may have forgotten that 1g = 10 m/s2 hence you have got 1/10th the value.

regards,

Alpa