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karansohal875 SEFI Member
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Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2022 6:28 amPost subject: Design of Slab on Grade for Connex structure above it. |
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Greetings all! I am working on a project in which I have to design a foundation for a Connex/Porta-Cabin. Plan dimensions of the foundations are 41ft x 9ft. I am thinking to design a 5inch slab with its edges thickened upto 18inch to 24inch to hold anchor bolts. Any suggestions or recommendations for this? Will it be designed as a slab on grade over beams a its ends? or some other approach?
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vikram.jeet General Sponsor
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Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2022 8:22 amPost subject: |
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Potta cabin is light wt structure and s B c is not a problem even if structure rest just at existing G L.
Under wind case , it will be subjected wind pressures on pota walls and light wt roof of m s sheeting . But space is small span 9 ' and length is 41'.
Proposed slab with peripheral beams is a sound option.
OTHER OPTIONS
Annular rcc footing of small width as per design dictate on either side and flooring pcc in-between space
Small pits with pcc Block foundations of size as per design dictate at locations of anchor boltings. |
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karansohal875 SEFI Member
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Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2022 9:33 amPost subject: |
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Thanks vikram
Can you help me how this slab and peripheral beams will be designed? I mean slab will be designed with kn/m2 load over it(might need min reinf) what about those beams?
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vikram.jeet wrote: |
Potta cabin is light wt structure and s B c is not a problem even if structure rest just at existing G L.
Under wind case , it will be subjected wind pressures on pota walls and light wt roof of m s sheeting . But space is small span 9 ' and length is 41'.
Proposed slab with peripheral beams is a sound option.
OTHER OPTIONS
Annular rcc footing of small width as per design dictate on either side and flooring pcc in-between space
Small pits with pcc Block foundations of size as per design dictate at locations of anchor boltings. |
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vikram.jeet General Sponsor
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Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2022 11:55 amPost subject: |
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Will try to give just a rough illustration which u can refine.
Roof width say = 9 + 3 = 12 feet ( taking 1.5' proj on either side ) Ht = 4.0 m Wall thickness = 0.15m
Case 1 DL + LL case
DL = 15 kg / m2 LL = 2/3 rd * 75 = 50 kg/m2
DL + LL = 15 + 50 = 65 kg/m2
Roof weight per meter on each support = 65 * 3.66 /2 = 119 kg Pota wall wt per m run say @ 900 kg / m3 = 900 * 4.0*0.15 = 540 kg** ** wt can vary based on material but just taken for illustration Slab wt per m on each support = 3.05/2 *0.12 * 2500 = 477 kg Beam wt per m = 0.45*0.45 *2500 = 506 kg Floor finish over slab wt each side = 0.05*2400*3.0/2 = 180kg Floor zLL @ 300 kg/m2 on each side = 300*3.0/2 = 450 kg
Total wt per m = (119 + 540)+(477+506 +180+ 450)= 2272 kg each side
Base area = 9' + 2* 6" = 10 '
Base pressure = 2272 *2 / ( 3.05 *1.0) = 0.54 t/ m2 Net pressure fm bottom = ( 119 + 540 ) *2/( 3.05 *1.0) = 0.44t/m2
BM in base slab at mid span considering simply supported Tension top = 0.44* 2.90^2/8 = 0.48tm /m Taking single mesh centrally placed Eff depth ~ 125 /2 = 62.5mm Mu/bd^2 = 0.48*1.5 *100000/( 100*6.25^2)/10.2 = 1.81 p st ~ 0.50 ( for exact refer sp16) Ast = 0.50*6.25 = 3.12 cm2/m
Will check wind load case and see ast required and higher of two to be provided
R cc beams are not stressed in above DL + LL case
Case 2 DL + WIND LOAD - - - NEXT POST
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vikram.jeet General Sponsor
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Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2022 2:57 pmPost subject: |
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Case 2 DL + WL
Taking wind pressure = 100 kg/m2 for illustration purposes (Pl work out as per IS 875 )
屋顶坡度1 10
Pi ~ 0.8 p Pe ~ 0.5便士
Pi + pe =1.3 p , it will be 1.3p on windward half of roof and little say 1.0 p on leeward half , but for illustration take 1.3p all over
Wind Uplift force on each wall of roof = 1.3*100 *3.66/2 = 238 kg/m
Wind force on windward wall = 1.2 * 100*4.0 = 480 kg /m Wind moment at base = 480* 4.0/2 = 960 kgm /m
DL On roof on each side = 3.66/2 * 1.0 * 15 *80%= 22 kg/m Wall wt = 900 * 4.0 *1.0 *0.15 *80%= 432 kg
Base slab + beam wt + finishes each side = 477 +506 + 180 = 1163 kg
Total wt = 22 + 432 + 1163 = 1617 kg < 1.2* 238
Structure is OK stability against Wind uplift
Load /m without base slab & finishes on sides = 506 kg > 238 kg Hence base slab is not stressed due to wind uplift
It is because span of pota cabin small
However slab is subject to Moment transfered from wall = 960 kgm/m Mu/bd^2 = 1.2*960*100/ ( 100*6.25^2)/10.2 = 2.89 n/mm 2 Slab may need thickening at edges and 150 th slab would be OK at edges
Revised Mu/bd^2 ~ 2.1 Pst ~ 0.59 ; Ast = 0.59 *7.5 = 4.43 cm2/m
Hence a mesh of 8mm dia at 150mm c/c plus extra bars on each side 8mm dia @ 300 mm c/c providing alternately in regular mesh bars Reinf provided 3.33 + 3.33/2 = 5.0 cm2/m Extra bar length = 3.0x0.3 = 0..9m
Or it is better to provide 8mm dia @ 120 cm c/c mesh centrally placed
Beam design : see next post |
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vikram.jeet General Sponsor
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Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2022 4:18 amPost subject: |
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Beam design :
Assuming steel columns at 4.0m c/c Wind case
Uplift force on columns = 238* 4.0 = 952 kg Net uplift force on column = 952 -22*4 = 864 kg Wind moment on column from cladding = 960*4 = 3860 kgm
Hence steel column to be designed for P tension and moment 3860kgm
Beam design ( Beam 450x450mm ) Vertical Downward DL On beam per m = 506+432= 938 kg /m Base pr = 0.938/0.45 = 2.08 t/m2 Under normal cond itionns ( non wind) , base pr is balanced by udl on beam
Due to wind Net Downward wt = 938 - 238 = 700 kg/m Base pr = 0.700/0.45 = 1.56 t/m2
BM at support/ span - - - taking same as str is mini str = (938 - 1.56 * 0.45) * 4.0 ^ 2/10= 381kgm - - small value but see for twisting moment below Torsion moment = 960kgm/m 在梁扭矩在列= 960 * 4.0 / 2 =1980 kgm ( Moment of 3860kgm from column will be taken by grade slab through twisting of beam , Grade slab being thin member will have local punching shear failure if beam is not provided)
Pl see this rough illustration and do exact calcs
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karansohal875 SEFI Member
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Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2022 5:31 amPost subject: |
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Thanks a lot Vikram Sir for your guidance. I have few doubts, mentioned below.
- Which length (2.90m) you considered while calculating BM in base slab at mid span?
- Don't we have to consider EQ loads?
- The moment and shear due to lateral loads will be taken care by anchor bolts which will be around 10 inch deep. These lateral forces should be considered in design of slab or beams under slab?
vikram.jeet wrote: |
BM in base slab at mid span considering simply supported Tension top = 0.44* 2.90^2/8 = 0.48tm /m
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vikram.jeet General Sponsor
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Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2022 8:45 amPost subject: |
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karansohal875 wrote: |
Thanks a lot Vikram Sir for your guidance. I have few doubts, mentioned below.
- Which length (2.90m) you considered while calculating BM in base slab at mid span?
- Don't we have to consider EQ loads?
- The moment and shear due to lateral loads will be taken care by anchor bolts which will be around 10 inch deep. These lateral forces should be considered in design of slab or beams under slab?
vikram.jeet wrote: |
BM in base slab at mid span considering simply supported Tension top = 0.44* 2.90^2/8 = 0.48tm /m
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Eff Span is taken as 9' clear span + 6" = 2.75+0.15 = 2.90 m
EQ - Since this is very light wt structure it will not govern over Wind
Anchor bolts are there to transfer forces and moments from column base to Rcc beam . These are transferring devices , but ultimately everything is to be borne by MOTHER EARTH and Rcc beams and slab are also there to receive forces and moments fm anchor bolts and transfer finally to underlying strata. |
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vikram.jeet General Sponsor
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Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2022 9:20 amPost subject: |
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Grade slab
It is designed here for vertical loading from wall at ends . BM worked out is conservative since base pr is small wrt to sbc of 3- 5 t/m2 at ground surface and even these wall loads may not stress base slab .
( Rest other loads viz self wt and finishes wt are in form of udl over entire area , the upward base pressure fm bottom due to these will be counter balanced by uniform loading pressure from top while working BM at mid span of grade slab , hence not figured in BM calcs )
However wind moments from walls transfered thru bolts are to be completely taken by base slab . |
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Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2022 4:31 amPost subject: Re: Design of Slab on Grade for Connex structure above it. |
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karansohal875 wrote: |
Greetings all! I am working on a project in which I have to design a foundation for a Connex/Porta-Cabin. Plan dimensions of the foundations are 41ft x 9ft. I am thinking to design a 5inch slab with its edges thickened upto 18inch to 24inch to hold anchor bolts. Any suggestions or recommendations for this? Will it be designed as a slab on grade over beams a its ends? or some other approach?
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Please check whether subsoil is swelling shrinking soil. It can move the building up and down. Even if the structure is not affected, the service connections, especially sanitary lines, can give some problem
S.P.Srinivasan |
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